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 Post subject: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:39 am 
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I created a ticket a while ago to force selected parameters to persist between different tabs in the logger. ie, if you have Engine Load and Engine RPM selected on the data tab, they'll also be selected when you switch to the dash tab. dschultz commented that he likes to have parameters selected to log (in the data tab) while he watches a different set in the dash tab.

I think both ways have their merits, so I'd like other people to weigh in. What would you prefer? I rarely use the graph or dash tab so I'm not saying I'm voting for persistence.

1) Parameters persist between views
2) Parameters do not persist, no change
3) Add a "parameters persist between views" checkbox

Also note that I've created a ticket to add a "profiles" panel to the data logger. I'm envisioning a new panel at the bottom of where the parameters are selected now that lists your saved profiles. When switching between tabs, a single click will load a profile. We could also add the other tabs to this list, so you'd have:

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From Graph Tab
From Dash Tab
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smellybutt.xml

I'm planning on implementing this regardless of what we decide above. This may be a good enough solution to keep anyone that wants persistence satisfied.

Edit: It looks like polls might be broken..?

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:18 pm 
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Looks like the voting is borked, but I would request it be selectable. Like dschultz I log a number of parameters in the data tab but only want to see a select few in the dash tab.

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:53 pm 
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I'll vote for the selectable option.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:55 pm 
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I agree with dschultz, logging different parameter between different tabs is almost necessary in some cases. For instance if you're logging a WOT pull on a car and want to watch for knock during the pull you aren't going to want to watch engine speed in the graph page with engine speed since the axis would be so large.
Keep them seperate.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:43 pm 
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I think there should be a checkbox at the top that dictates whether or not the params carry over to other tabs.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:19 pm 
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I think there should be one list of parameters and colums of check boxes for each usage (logger, dash, etc)

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:24 am 
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Seems to me that if you're displaying a parameter in the UI, you're pulling it from the ECU, so you might as well have in the CSV too, just in case you later realize that it would be handy.

I like the 'one list of parameters' idea, with checkboxes to add things to the other tabs. However I also kinda like the idea that when you check a box in the parameter list on the Graph and Dashboard tabs, that would automatically check the same box in the CSV tab.

Mostly I just think that if something is interesting enough to show on screen, it should go into the CSV file as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:21 am 
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The only downside to having all the parameters show on every screen is screen real-estate and CPU. Anyone with a CarPC will know that the dashboard can only display a few gauges before you have to switch to a different gauge style with smaller numbers. And most of the time you can't/shouldn't be looking at the gauges while driving anyway. The Graph screen would be pretty useless with ten graphs flying by...

I still check uninteresting (in real-time at least) parameters on the Data tab and keep the Dashboard for what I'm curious about. In the end all the parameters checked on any tab are logged to csv.

I could agree that certain parameters are useful on any tab, like RPM and load, but it's not a bit list.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:18 pm 
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dschultz wrote:
The only downside to having all the parameters show on every screen is screen real-estate and CPU. Anyone with a CarPC will know that the dashboard can only display a few gauges before you have to switch to a different gauge style with smaller numbers. And most of the time you can't/shouldn't be looking at the gauges while driving anyway. The Graph screen would be pretty useless with ten graphs flying by...

I still check uninteresting (in real-time at least) parameters on the Data tab and keep the Dashboard for what I'm curious about. In the end all the parameters checked on any tab are logged to csv.

I could agree that certain parameters are useful on any tab, like RPM and load, but it's not a bit list.


I didn't realize this. All this time I've been carefully making sure that anything I selected on the dashboard tab was also checked on the data tab. :lol:

I never used the dashboard tab until the fast polling feature, but now I put FBKC, FLKC, IAM, and knock sum on it. Those don't change much, so when they do change I usually notice it.

How would you feel about a dedicated parameter selection tab, and remove the parameter list from the other tabs? Maybe go one step further and split the data tab into two... A "Selection" tab that's like the current Data tab but without the max/min colums (to make room for Graph / Dash checkbox columns), and remove the parameter list from the Data tab. For more bonus points: increase the font size on the data tab, for us CarPC people.

(And no, I still don't know what you can actually use bonus points for.)

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:45 am 
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Let me see if I understand you correctly.
A Parameter Tab were all the parameters are listed, Standard, Extended, Switches and Externals. Beside each parameter have a checkbox for "where" to display the results.
So three check boxes to select the parameter for display on the Data, Graph and Dashboard. And as always, anything checked is written to CSV.

This would make the selection process a lot cleaner and centralize the management of the parameters.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:31 pm 
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dschultz wrote:
Let me see if I understand you correctly.
A Parameter Tab were all the parameters are listed, Standard, Extended, Switches and Externals. Beside each parameter have a checkbox for "where" to display the results.
So three check boxes to select the parameter for display on the Data, Graph and Dashboard. And as always, anything checked is written to CSV.

This would make the selection process a lot cleaner and centralize the management of the parameters.

This is what I was envisioning in my last post.

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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:45 pm 
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I think we need a button to 'Import selections into Dashboard'. This way if you want to import all, you push. If you want some, you push button and deselect unwanted parameters in dashboard, and if you want total independence you do nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Should selected logger parameters persist between tabs?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:28 pm 
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Double Phister wrote:
This is what I was envisioning in my last post.


Me too.

Can we also get a reset button, to clear the list completely?

Also, I want a pony.

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