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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:36 am 
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Here I came in to ask about a new release of LV to support the recently added NAs and already found an answer. If it's just a matter of grunt work to covert the RR-format ECU defs to something LV can parse, I'd be happy to do the work for you and then let you check it if it'll get the update out faster without taking up your time.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:15 am 
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williaty wrote:
Here I came in to ask about a new release of LV to support the recently added NAs and already found an answer. If it's just a matter of grunt work to covert the RR-format ECU defs to something LV can parse, I'd be happy to do the work for you and then let you check it if it'll get the update out faster without taking up your time.

No, that part is all automated so it is no time at all. I'm going to work on support for the OP 2.0 cable for the next release which will take some time.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:07 am 
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Sorry for my noob question, but when should I connect Lerning View? At the ignition ON, at the engine idling, at high speeds? When?

Or is it doesn't matter?


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:12 am 
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Aex1 wrote:
Sorry for my noob question, but when should I connect Lerning View? At the ignition ON, at the engine idling, at high speeds? When?

Or is it doesn't matter?


Ignition ON or when the engine is running.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:07 am 
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Thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:59 pm 
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Any opinions about my ECU, please? The car is OBXT 2005.

Really, I don't like all those minuses. This is a tuned map, made especially for my mods:

SPT CBE
SPT Intake
Catted Downpipe
Catless Uppipe

The ECU reset was made 200 miles ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:37 pm 
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What do you mean that this is a tuned map? Did the tuner adjust for the SPT intake? If they did, they did a poor job.

I would get rid of the SPT intake. The stock intake is superior. If you really want a short ram intake, I would get a K&N intake or a Cobb intake. However, the K&N provides more headroom if you go to a larger turbo.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:56 pm 
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mickeyd2005 wrote:
What do you mean that this is a tuned map? Did the tuner adjust for the SPT intake? If they did, they did a poor job.

I would get rid of the SPT intake. The stock intake is superior. If you really want a short ram intake, I would get a K&N intake or a Cobb intake. However, the K&N provides more headroom if you go to a larger turbo.


Hi, mickeyd2005! You are everywhere :D. I wouldn't say whose map is this (PDX or TA), but why are saying this is a poor job? Explain, please.

Well, I almost ready to change the SPT intake for the stock one, but first I want to receive more proofs for this step.

Meanwhile, the car runs great with this map. Maybe, I don't have the possibility to compare...


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:29 pm 
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AFR learning D is -6.9% which is outside my range of comfort for a "tuned" intake.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:10 pm 
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mickeyd2005 wrote:
AFR learning D is -6.9% which is outside my range of comfort for a "tuned" intake.


Ok, thank you, mickeyd.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:33 pm 
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Great resource - looking forward to the 2.0 compatability.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:58 am 
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Aex1 wrote:
Any opinions about my ECU, please? The car is OBXT 2005.

Really, I don't like all those minuses. This is a tuned map, made especially for my mods:

SPT CBE
SPT Intake
Catted Downpipe
Catless Uppipe

The ECU reset was made 200 miles ago.


welcome to the world of the SPT intake. It leans out fuel trims severely. This works "okay" when combined with a super-rich stock ECU map, but not on a well-tuned one. I have seen several 2007 STIs with low compression thanks to this intake. Each owner thought it would be a good idea to leave the car stock and only add Subaru-approved mods, knowing the delicate nature of the powerplant and poor ECU tuning, in order to retain factory warranty. This effectively blew up in their faces and they are now replacing the engine anyways.

Sorry for the long winded response. Put the kit up on eBay and buy a stock intake. Car will run better, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:55 pm 
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benw wrote:
welcome to the world of the SPT intake. It leans out fuel trims severely. This works "okay" when combined with a super-rich stock ECU map, but not on a well-tuned one. I have seen several 2007 STIs with low compression thanks to this intake. Each owner thought it would be a good idea to leave the car stock and only add Subaru-approved mods, knowing the delicate nature of the powerplant and poor ECU tuning, in order to retain factory warranty. This effectively blew up in their faces and they are now replacing the engine anyways.

Sorry for the long winded response. Put the kit up on eBay and buy a stock intake. Car will run better, too.


Ok, ok, I'm already convinced to change that thing for a stock one. Thank you for the explanation.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:27 pm 
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Aex1 wrote:
benw wrote:
welcome to the world of the SPT intake. It leans out fuel trims severely. This works "okay" when combined with a super-rich stock ECU map, but not on a well-tuned one. I have seen several 2007 STIs with low compression thanks to this intake. Each owner thought it would be a good idea to leave the car stock and only add Subaru-approved mods, knowing the delicate nature of the powerplant and poor ECU tuning, in order to retain factory warranty. This effectively blew up in their faces and they are now replacing the engine anyways.

Sorry for the long winded response. Put the kit up on eBay and buy a stock intake. Car will run better, too.


Ok, ok, I'm already convinced to change that thing for a stock one. Thank you for the explanation.


If you swap back your stock intake back in, make sure to tell your tuner or to go to compatible OTS tune. I don't know if your tuner adjusted the WOT portion of the maf scale.


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 Post subject: Re: Learning View tool
PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:25 pm 
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Aex1 wrote:
benw wrote:
Ok, ok, I'm already convinced to change that thing for a stock one. Thank you for the explanation.


I've been down this road too and held onto that damn SPT intake longer than I should have. Mickey worked with me also as we tried to tune the SPT but it isn't fully tunable and it offers no advantage over the stock intake anyways... at least at less than 300whp. I found a stock intake locally and put it on and run a paper OEM filter. I run quicker quarters than all the other stage 2 LGT's (running aftermarket intakes) in town. There are plenty of things worth changing but the intake is NOT one of them.

Negative LTFT's like yours have you likely running very lean. Looks dangerous! 6-7% less enrichment than your map calls for.. ouch.

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